@Alex_Linder ok let be a bit more specific. If a tractor breaks on the farm or something else goes wrong, there's no praying involved. Things like experience, presence of mind etc are highly valued. There's no room for this idea that jesus can take the wheel.

My point is, they don't even believe what they say they believe. They are already total hypocrites in every aspect, yet one more clearly is not going to matter.

@Someguy @Alex_Linder Ask a hundred "christians" what one must do to be saved and you'll get one different answers.
Often they will quote a bible verse, but have n clue what it means.

@O2 @Alex_Linder I mean its not clear whether they understand or not because they don't act accordingly. In fact acting accordingly would be absurd so naturally they don't.

@O2 @Someguy @Alex_Linder They lack the capacity to value what is actually valuable that they devalue it and if it is valueless then they have the willingness to revalue it until it becomes valuable to them and them alone.

@Alex_Linder they will pick the white nation and tell you to your face that it doesn't matter... or something as you say they aren't always clear.

My point is it is not limited to just this. Is the bible literal or not? Do we have free will or not? Its absurd all of it and the people who believe it don't care.